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johnfla: tabjohn2@peoplepc.com

mr cosby; hit the nail right on the head,if the black community took responsability for it's actions ,the country would be a better place .the fact's are indesputable blacks don't learn in school they make them place's unfit for learning.only 1 in 4 graduates .civil rights laws should be repealed due to the fact that some use it as a ladder,and others as a crutch.why try im black and it will be given to me or poor me my ancestor was brought here as a slave and did all the work that my family should have to do.the only racism that happens today is black on black,there are no segragated schools,churches,resturants,etc;take responsability for yourself and your family work hard become educated.and succeed or take no responsability and become a 20 year old mother of four on welfare due to your dysfunctional behavior in other words grow up theres no such thing as ptfsd,its called l.a.z.y ,u.n.e. d.u.c.a.t.e.d and i.r.r.e.s.p.o.n.s.i.b.l.e..........criminal that people fought hard to guarantee equality and one generation later turned blacks into welfare junkies,drug dealers and murderers unfortunatley the people who read this message are not the ones refered to simply because they can read it......................

howdyrudy: merriweatatr@att.net

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I didn't read the book either but if Mr. Cosby were so concerned about 'morals' then why didn't he speak out when not one but TWO women accused him of sexual improprities?!! He has been very quiet after his accusations and that seems awfully strange for a man so commited to speaking his mind but not about wether or nor he's a rapist and fondled a woman after he drugged her. And right after he took heat for his first comments he backtracked that he wasn't trying to let white people off the hook and he wasn't just talking about just poor black people but ALL poor people he sounds like he's full of stuff and won't even come out to defend himself. I have lost a LOT of respect for him

Miles: mjfreshoil@yahoo.com

I do in principal think that Bill Cosbys call is accurate, however it is an assement based on the subjectivity of lifestyle many African Americans dont have the ability to lead. I am a person who grew up in a middle class home, but thru a series of events.. many of my doing, became homeless. I am no longer in that situation, however I see many african american men and women who are victims of an evironment that has not been supportive of OUR plight. For example... the suggestion that black parents should be more involved in their childrens education is accurate, but idealistic. Many of those same parents who arent involved in their childrens social and education process is because many of them are working two jobs, in single parent homes to make ends meet. The reason is because instead of having community or government support, they have been cut off from all financial support (including health insurance in some cases) as a result of pressue places on legislatures to ellminate welfare. Bottom line is if they cant depend on their government to support them when they are in need, who can they depend on? Next door neighbors? Doubtful, because they are experiencing the same plight of having to have mulitple jobs so they too can have food on their table, and a warm place to live. Something suffers.... so its involvement in their childs life. That in turn creates the very situations that caused the start of this discussion.

Its very easy to make an assement of what the African American community needs when youre living the American Dream. What we need in our community are people who are willing not only to tell us what we need, but people who are living the dream to help us get there, instead of just critcizing what we dont have and we dont do. Whats the last time Dr Cosby has visited a poor African American Neigborhood and developed a safe community center so the children can have a place to grow, study, learn and develop into the men that God would like us to be.. .while those good parents who are trying, continue to work two jobs so their families dont wind up in a homeless shelter. Idealism is wonderful, when you live an idealistic life... but it becomes a different story when you have to survive.......and you dont have a chance to attain that dream because survival is the priority.

Carley: ckeustice@yahoo.com

Will the real Anthony Bradley please stand up? I'm incredulous to see the measured tones of this post on terms of who is to blame for social problems. In your previous posts on the resurgence site you make it quite clear who is to blame. Here is quote of you

"Men suffering from PTAFSD are left to the world of women. Unfortunately, no woman can teach a man how to be a man. In God's design, masculinity is bestowed from one man to another. Guys with PTAFSD get over-mothered by women who go to their sons for the emotional intimacy needed from husbands. Their sons grow up too fast. Mom keeps him too close, too long, and he becomes a "mama's boy" destined to look to women for validation. The world of women is his home. He becomes the "nice guy" who cowers to her every wish and desire, and can't challenge women to become more Godly. Many men, resenting over-mothering, become womanizers: they constantly need as many women as possible to get validation.

Other PTAFSD sufferers were mothered by overbearing women who, in response to their husband's lack of biblical love, took it out on their sons by controlling, ruling, and often guilt manipulating their sons into filling voids only rightly filled by husbands. These guys are ruled by women. They embrace emasculation just to have a woman close.

This is the Enemy's strategy to destroy the world. Kill the men, win the war. Unless the church takes off her apron and picks up a rifle to fight for men expect more violence, drug abuse, sexual perversion, suicide, and passivity from men. God-made men fighting for the love of God and neighbor is the best thing for women and the world."

And you also make it clear who is to blame for men hating church as well. Here is another quote of you:
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"Leon Podles, is his book, The Church Impotent: The Feminization of Christianity, laments the feminized Christianity of the pink-dressed Jesus: "Christianity is now seen as a part of the sphere of life proper to women rather than to men, it sometimes attracts men whose own masculinity is doubtful. By this I do not mean homosexuals . . . rather religion is a safe field, a refuge from the challenges of life and therefore attracts men who are fearful of making a break with the secure world of childhood dominated by women. These are men who have problems following the path of masculine development."

Maybe this church died because the men had no mission? They were never initiated into the masculine image of Christ and therefore never entered into the battle of local mission.

David Murrow, author of Why Men Hate Going To Church, reminds us that 61% of the average adult U.S. church attendance is women, 80% of attendees at midweek church activities are women, and 90% of boys raised in the church will abandon it by time they turn 20-years-old.

If you combine the image of Jesus in a pink dress with the soft-spoken, effeminate "sharing" that some churches call "sermons" by preachers/teachers who sound like one of the Teletubbies having confused words like "meek" and "gentle" with androgeny, we may understand how churches become bars: churches without the Gospel, and God-made masculine men, eventually die."
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I'm concluding from your writing that unless the "church takes off its apron" and I assume you mean that it becomes a real man that admires the hard core punk culture that you declared was awesome we will have drug addiction, perversion and all manner of social ills.

Here is another one of your quotes:

http://www.theresurgence.com/ab_blog

"These hard core guys dragged this emo kid into the street and beat him until he was bloody and completely unconscious. Everyone scattered when they heard the police sirens.

Can Christianity reach this awesome sub-culture? Not without a new brand of leaders. Most Christian men today are too soft, passive, and fearful to have any credibility with this growing movement. American Christianity often produces the kind of men that 'the hardcore' detests. Hardcore needs to be embraced, not condemned by the church.

Hardcore culture can be reached by a new brand of hardcore missionaries--men who have 'salt and light' fortitude and move toward human brokenness instead of away from it. This is where missional men come in.

For example, I can't think of more a bold, fearless, gospel-driven, fully masculine, evil-fighting, heresy-fighting, group of men in America. Scott Thomas, Director of Acts 29, says "we won't water down our theology to reach more people and we won't attack the culture in the name of Christianity. We are planting churches that are missionaries in their respective communities sent by Christ with the gospel (John 20:21)." This is what hardcore needs."

What do you really believe? You speak in one your posts in this conservative place about virtue and disliking "thugs" and here you say they are awesome? And then you further elaborate that you cannot wait to meet one as if they are some sort of folk hero to you! Who are you, an intellectual from a think tank of neoliberals getting your doctorate in theology or the person who wants to hang with the awesome hard core punk culture and bash mama's boys, domineering women and to quote your friend Driscoll the "chick-i-fied" church. Any one of these positions is obnoxious enough by itself if you were consistent to it. But, you are one way here, and another way there and perhaps, something even worse than being obnoxious and arrogant is being completely two faced.

Gene Pierce: sirgwaingep@aol.com

I disagree with Mr Cosby if he states that the white establishment had no responsibility for the destruction of the black family. The passge of the welfare bills had the support of the white, as well as the black political leadership. The welfare state substituted the government's program for the family structure, in particular, the black male wage earner leading the family. Women found themselves better off finacially if their husband was not living with them. Section 8 housing, food stamps and most other welfare programs had an income component which disqualify many two income families from participation. Of course, later on the family would be better off if they had not participated because most government programs prohibit individuals from accumulating capital even in the simple form of a savings account at the bank. I only wish to point out there is not moral lacking in black culture, but the weighting of the game contribute to choices people make, people make choices based on the present, i.e., a dollar today is preferable to a dollar in the far furture. It is the systematic destruction of the family structure by the political leadership which contributes to the sorry condition of the black family, and that takes the cooperation of leaders both black and white to achieve.

Anne Donn: anne_donn@yahoo.com

Bill Cosby dosen't deny that blacks are the reciptants of racial injustice, his call is to care for one another anyway. Instead of pointing to injustice as a reason not to care for family, he points to injustice and says inspite of, care for your families.

Donald Scoggins: Donelsco@aol.com

In my humble opinion Mr. Charles unfairly reacted to observations Dr. Cosby made in his latest book. After reading book exerpts and hearing his recitations I understood him to urge blacks to start taking control of their lives and stop this self destructive behavior rendering us a permanent underclass, despite the existance of racism. And, that stressing the importance of achieving a sound education can go a long way towards mitigating the effects of racism too which none of us can do anything about.

Instead of lambasting the messenger, Dr. Cosby, who I believe was attempting to explain what blacks must do to experience success, such as practicing thrift and exercising more personal discipline. Aside from his own unfortunate mishaps that wasn't the point because he's filthy rich.

Many blacks complain that well off members of the community neglect or abandon other blacks. Well, here's a guy that could do whatever he wants, yet he was trying to convey some words of wisdom since many many of us quite obviously aren't receiving that kind of guidance in their homes. What he said may seem a bitter pill to swallow for many, however its true and couldn't be said any other way or without some bite.

Also, what Dr. Cosby said for a long time was on the minds of many; however, were too frightened or lacked his renown to gain the necessary audience. We should encourage him and many others to speak out since its not until we change our culture, OURSELVES, will this cancer disappear that has consumed the black race.

Donald E. Scoggins, President
Republicans for Black Empowerment
www.theblackgop.com 703-565-6771

James Pier: jim_pier@sbcglobal.net

Full disclosure - I have not read the book. My comment is in response to M. Charles. Sir, your evident paranoia is entirely unfounded, and its most destructive effect must of necessity be on yourself. It is precisely that sort of claim to victimhood that Cosby attacks, and rightly so. I am white, and have worked with blacks on a daily basis for almost my entire working career. Were you to locate and interview all of them -- and most of them worked under me while I have been a manager -- I have no doubt you could not find one who would call me a racist. The race issue has been non-existent, for me or for them.

The "racial genocide" you accuse whites of perpetrating is offensive, slanderous and outrageous. There is no such thing going on, or anything remotely approaching it. As Cosby forcefully argues, what is closer to the truth is a "racial suicide" in the black community. Look in the mirror, and become part of the solution, not part of the problem.

ndsnow: ndsnow@gmail.com

The best and only way for any group of people to rise out of self-inflicted baseness is to loose the "we." This is just as true for white trash, or blue collar working class whites, as it is for blacks. Each individual must develop her own identity, adopting the one she grew up in is the easiest course, but the most restrictive. If Cosby's story involves loosing the "we," I will go along with it. Sharpton, Jackson, et al. are dependent on the "we" for their power. They are, as Ken Hamblin says, no more than poverty pimps.

Ms. Randi Scott: Zorro-R@webtv.net

Bill Cosby's writings are true BUT what good does it do for him to write this book that very few blacks, and certainly NOT Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, will read and understand??

JQuit: jmclqtt@sbcglobal.net

To the second generation Italian American there is a book that speaks to what you describe as your reality --It is called "White Like Me" by Tim Wise. It would do you some good to read this book.

D Hodge:

I suppose the "M" in M Charles stands for Moron, but sadly this is the view taken in many 'intellectual' black circles. Take a tour of the local Afro-American studies department and see/hear for yourself. The first good point to take regarding M's commentary is that he has nothing to say about Cosby's claims, only old Bill himself. I suppose when you can't fight the ideas you can always hit the messenger.

I have traced my ancestry back 8 generations (early 1800s) and still haven't found any slave owners, just lots of men who sacrificed their Whitey selves to fight for the North in the Civil War. M might inform me that the Civil War was actually to maintain the (Whitey) union in the face of secession, and that slavery was merely an afterthought (Gettysburg Address & freeing of the slaves notwithstanding). So far as prison sentences go, M isn't saying anything about whether the Jena 6 are guilty, have prior convictions, or even whether they have fathers at home looking after their behavior (is that acting White?). See, that would actually be addressing Cosby's ideas, but hey, we can overlook anti-Whitey racism on the part of blacks if we believe that they are just 'fighting back'.

The sad thing for M is that the world has passed him by. The protestors marching in Jena had nothing bad to say about the white people they met there. There was no countervailing KKK rally. The Whitey police didn't show up with dogs and fire hoses to beat back the black mobs. Cosby's ideas are right on the money: black people need to step up and take responsibility for themselves. The problem for folk like M is that is called 'acting White' or 'bougie', and heaven forbid we raise our black sons and daughters to forsake their blackness!

And regarding your mortgage/insurance/etc., it's called a computer, M. Go to Google and look up 'mortgage' or 'insurance' and look around. Since we Whiteys can't figure out who is black or white on the internet, sometimes we mess up and give you the same good deal we give white people. Seriously, M, except for idiot relics like yourself, nobody believes in people like you.

M Charles: Majesty1996@yahoo.com

Who made Bill Cosby the authority on the current state of Black affairs. I suppose Mr Cosby forgot that it was not so long ago that the skeletons came out of his closet. If memory serves me Bill fathered a son who lost his life in pursuit of what I call the modern Black males dream, a White woman. In addidtion, what ever happened to the daughter he claimes, you know the one rumored to have been strung out on drugs oh, and lets not forget Autumn Jackson. Yes, the Black race has more than its share of work to do if we are to continue to exist but what we don't need is another book from a man who supposedly has it all but is a faliure in his own home. It seems that today's educated black is too quick to claim that racism does not exist and when they marry and have families they neglect to remind their children of the struggle. As a result these children grow up thinking that they are equal and they end up falling prey to the white predators who are the ancestors of "The Slave Master." And for anyone who believes that there is freedom and justice for all lets just turn on the news on any given day. I suppose that Jenna six is an illusion, and how about the outlandish sentences blacks are receiving for nearly any crime they committ. Are Blacks supposed to turn a blind eye to the fact that everything from mortgage payments to auto loans and car insurance is higher if you're black. If you think this is an exaggeration just compare your statements to those of some of your white counterparts. These racist systems are very real and what's more we get paid a lot less what is it a black male averages about .76 to every $ 1.00 earned by a white male. Now with all this in mind Mr Cosby and his cohorts have launched a vicious campaign against confused, misguided, underpriviledged blacks, just who the hell does he think he is. Perhaps he would better serve the community ( if he sincerely wants to help) by getting out and standing united with other concerned blacks the way we used to during the civil rights movement. It seems that we have become so complacent that whites have lost any level of respect we'd once fought so hard to earn. It appears that they are truly moving to finish their quest for racial genocide afterall, they've seem to have become so confident that they think they no longer need us. Why not finish what they started and that way they can claim all of our contributions to this so called equal society. And furthermore their job is being made easier every day with the help of people just like Bill Cosby. How long will it take before blacks see that they dont have to sell their people short in lieu of their success. We dont owe " The Man" anything you've become a success because of your abilities and/or talents. Mr Cosby had better wake up and shake himself back into reality before the next noose we read about in the media has been placed around his neck.

CherylT: cherylt@yahoo.com

It's time for better leadership. African-Americans need to start acting like all the other immigrant populations that settled here. The ambitious lifted themselves up by their bootstraps, then gave back to their own. The only way to lift up is through solid education and hard work. I advocate sharing the parenting of the next generation with well run community programs. Only then will African-Americans be able to break the cycle of one-parent families, lack of male role modeling, and blaming "whitey."

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Thank goodness that more prominent members of the black community are speaking the truth. The restoration of moral values and strong families are a crucial element needed to help and support so many in our society. Truly, it is innocence who suffers when fathers abandon their children and destroy their lives by entrusting their care and upbringing to "society" and soul-less social programs.

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Gene Buzzi: gabuzzi@carolina.rr.com

I just finished reading Justice Clarance Thomas' book, "My grandfathers Son". It is a powerful book and the message goes hand in glove with the message Bill Cosby and Dr. Poussaint present in their book.
I grew up as a second generation Italian-American in Western Pennsylvania among the steel mills and coal mines. But, because of my parents, it seems as if I always knew I would go to college. My parents instilled in me that college was the only alternative and that I would never work in a steel mill or a coal mine. My father had an eighth grade education and my motlher completed high school. But their wish for me and my siblings to do better and go farther than they did was crystal clear to us.
Justice Thomas, Bill Cosby and Dr. Poussaint cry out for the parents or grandparents of black kids to do what mine did...to sacrifice for their children so that their life would be better.
It would be fantastic if these three men could join forces in their crusade to force the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton back into the shadows and identify them as the opportunists that they are, feeding on their black constituents and keeping them in the bottomless pit of victimhood, ignorance and dependency on the government.
There must be additional famous black people who agree with these three men. I and many of like mind would financially support such a coordinated movement, coordinated by these men.

Stan Daniels: Editor@eightcitiesmap.com

Excellent observations and commentary.


Give people the facts and the truth.


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Bill Cosby Is Right, Again

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